In processing their interview with Ginny Yttrup, Cheri and Amy dive into the central theme of her book Home, escaping from pain. It’s our human tendency to want to run from grief and hurt, but sadly, that leads us far from the help we need in Jesus. Make sure to listen for one key question that can keep us close to Jesus in our painful seasons. By surrendering pain, it’s possible to grow through it!
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- Ginny’s book: Home
- “Novel Finding: Reading Literary Fiction Improves Empathy” (article mentioned by Cheri)
- Amy’s book Breaking Up with Perfect: Kiss Perfection Good-Bye and Embrace the Joy God Has in Store for You
- Is your habit to face pain or escape pain? What has led you to default to that habit?
- What are some of your means of escaping or numbing?
- What’s one step you can take today to walking through pain — the hard truths of your life — with Jesus?
- Imagine this discussion happening across a kitchen table with you and Ginny and Amy and Cheri and a few other girlfriends. What insight or question would you add to the convo?
I was talking to one of my friends, she heard a parenting conference this weekend, and she said she got this great question to ask her child in the midst of discipline situations. And the question is, “Will this decision bring me closer to Jesus or create distance from Him?” And I thought, “Oh, that’s not just a good parenting question. That’s a good question for all of us. Will this decision being me closer to Jesus or create distance from Him?” And I thought, “You know what the truth is, every single decision we make pretty much, I mean except for maybe what color we put on in the morning, that kind of thing, it does one of the two. It brings us closer to Jesus or creates distance from Jesus.”
And the truth is, any time we decide to stuff pain or to escape from pain, it takes us on a path away from Jesus. That’s a hard thing. That’s a hard truth, but hopefully that’ll help us, like, you know, “Hey, I’d rather walk through pain with Jesus than without Him.”
Absolutely. To tie it in with our least favorite word, control, she had the nerve to say I prolong pain when I try to control. I’m like, “Really, Ginny, did you have to say that?” And what’s control about? Control is about either trying to prevent pain, or get out of pain, or control the amount of pain, or the kind of pain. And so all of this stuff that we recovering people-pleasers and perfectionists are trying to deal with, I like that question: Will it bring me closer to Jesus or create distance from Him?
Yeah, ‘cause whenever we take control, Jesus takes a step back.